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IaHU-NaTaN Gets SCHOOLED!
NOTE: The following is a copy in full of a message recieved (
>in this color) and my response (in this one)... Even though at times it may seem like a Conversation... it is not. I have added Links for your convenience.GREETINGS!
Thankyou for responding... sorry it took so long to get back.
I must say that this is one of the Kindest and most polite
GNASHINGS that we have recieved.
At 08:14 AM 5/8/96 +0200, you wrote:
>
>This letter is not intended for your List please - I trust
that you
>are not one of those who enjoy dragging things to the wild
dogs to be
>torn apart. We are busy with sacred matters here - let us
respect it
>as such.
Actually we share Information for the
purpose of helping People (all of them Created by IaHUeH in His
Image and Likeness) to Discern the Truth from the Lie.
If this correspondence will further that end... I will publish it
(Keeping you Anonymous of Course).
>And that is also my great concern with your Web
material. When I saw
>it at first, I was thrilled. You use the sacred Names (I do
respect
>you for that, notwithstanding that you have your own version
- it is
>as correct as any other version in my estimation - who knows
100%
>after all?)
It is our desire to use the closest
representation... it is Study and the Spirit of Truth that
revealed this to us... we may find more information...
>
>I soon learnt that you are somewhat confused though - but the
more I
>read of your material (espescially the latest referred to in
my
>subject above), the more confused you seem to become.
With all due Respect... I think you may be
projecting here...
I am sorry that *YOU* became confused... you may have already
been confused when you got there...
>
>I say this NOT in a proud spirit nor derogatarily - but in a
spirit
>of concern -
I realize that this is your Intention and
you would like to present a good Image... but this is not how you
have come across... even from the first sentence!
> because you have so much Truth and are able to put it
>over so efficiently on the Net!
Then why are you confused?
>
>You create great confusion, I think, (in your endeavour to
clear the
>confusion which exists - and I agree with you wholeheartedly
on
>that!) by publishing in your site the articles / material of
*other*
>writers.
It is my desire to present more than a one
sided view.. and we encourage readers to Think for theirselves
and make their own Choices!
The more Information you have.. the Better your Choices..
The Best Choice is to Choose Obedience to IaHUeH!
But how can you do that if the Biggest examples of Doing so are
only pretending? and then when they see you asking questions and
trying to be Real about it they GNASH you for it and seek your
destruction!
>Surely, it is impossible that you can agree 100% with
all of
>the contents of those articles which you place??? The result
to me
>as reader is that I cannot figure what you really proclaim or
not.
This is what we proclaim and these are the
Views that we agree with 100% ... THE TRUTH of THE GOOD NEWS of
IaHUeH's SALVATION!
"http://www.iahushua.com/"
Did you see the Statement Concerning the Basis of our Conviction?
"http://www.iahushua.com/basis.htm"
But I think you reveal the key to your confusion.. is your
assumption that I am lying about what I very straight forwardly
Proclaim... throughout the site. And so you disagree and are
offended with what you see... and look for something to Accuse me
of.
And what offends you?
That there is a difference between the God that the world
Worships.. and IaHUeH! and that the Whole world is in Wickedness!
and has separated themselves from their CREATOR! That IaHUeH IS
GOOD and there can be NO EVIL with Him! and that if a person that
is altogether in Sin (even in willful ignorance) were to find
theirself in the Presence of IaHUeH that they would be totally
burnt up, Consumed, ashes...
So therefore if such a one says that they are performing the will
of G-D and that this G-D is the same as IaHUeH... (Transgression
of the third Comandment, SIN) and that He is keeping His Word
that He Promised.. {that when the People will REPENT and RETURN
to IaHUeH, (made Possible *Only*
by the Blood of the LAMB)} ... That He would return to them and
Gather them up from the farthest parts of the Earth where they
had been Scattered.. and Bring them back into the Land that was
promised to their Ancestors.. (you should access this in
Deu.30)... If you follow this Link from QARA' Li-HaSheM HOShA' NA' where it
says These Are The Words.. "http://www.efn.org/~iahu/law2.htm#the-words"
You see when this happens it is when the people finally Turn to
IaHUeH and not to the UK or US or the League of Nations/UN.
How can you call me Confused and imply that I am a Deciever..When
Scripture is so very clear on this very point!
Go search it out and stop being so sentimental! Will you Hate me
for telling the Truth?
>
>And then it seems that you boast about the fact that your
opposers do
>not know who you are and what you proclaim! Surely, the Truth
should
>be explicit and clear, don't you agree?
I am saddened by the fact that Rather than
Believing the Simple Truth and turning to IaHUeH and Loving Him
with all of their Heart Mind Soul and Strength... That they would
rather Accuse me, (who told them out of Love) of being a person
that (in their mind) it is Alright to Hate and Destroy!
HATE IS MURDER!
I do not know how you may have missed it, but all over our site
is a Blue Banner.. says Be Ye EXCELLENT.. One Unto Another!!
It is linked to a page called the Fact of the MATTER! You may
want to read it. "http://www.iahushua.com/relate.htm"
It is out of my Love for "Israel" and My love for all
people... and my Love for these "jews" you say I am
Against... that causes me to want to tell them.. so that they can
have a Chance to get it Straight.. Before that Great and Terrible
Day!
That is who I wrote the page for...
What? would it be better to say soothe soothe... oh its ok... you
don't *REALLY* have to worry about Obeying IaHUeH... just do as
your Masters tell you...and make a good Show and you WILL HAVE
PEACE??!?
>
>You also boast about the fact that you receive so much
opposition.
>It is true, yes, that Truth receives opposition - even
YAHSHUA
>received more opposition than support.
You keep mentioning
this.."boastin" is it because you are Envious for some
reason, am I somehow supposed to be PROUD that people Reject
IaHUeH's Word? Am I supposed to be Happy that people Choose DEATH
rather than LIFE? I have to tell you that that is a very Twisted
Attitude!
And I find it insulting.
I know you don't realize what is going on here or what you are
supposed to do to me... So I ask IaHUeH to Forgive you.
Actually I was a bit surprised and amazed and HURT to find So
many Liars...
If it were my desire to be Hated I would be a Hateful Malicious
Murderer.. and everyone would want to murder me before I could
get a chance to murder them... And if I were like that I would
perhaps have fun acting that way... and so I would not be
Complaining about Unjustified Hatred... would I? Then I would
might brag that everyone Hates me because I am so BAD!
> But YAHSHUA had the perfect
>Truth, for He is the Word personified. And it would be a
tragedy - a
>shame - if we received opposition for that which is not
Truth. Such
>opposition would be justified and the proclaimer of that
which is opposed,
>would stand condemned. We therefore should be very
introspective and
>assure that we really have the Truth before we boast about
>"persecution".
You do sound very Confused... do you read a
lot of Paul's teachings? Is that the problem here? (rhetorical)
You need to Read "John"
17 and the first Epistle...
Oh thats right it won't do any good...* they have changed it Just enough for Christians
to not Understand it. *[In the "authorized" Translations]
>
>Am I thereby insinuating that yours is not the Truth? No, I
couldn't
>because I am not sure what you stand for. You follow a
totally
>confusing strategy - and THAT is nothing to be proud of for
starters!
Then why the Diatribe? It is not my TRUTH!!
IaHUeH gives to me...
You do not even Know about that Lie you just said do you? The
purpose of this message was for you to try to Convince me that I
was a Liar.. it is all you have said...
==========================Implication==================================
"You are Lying!.. you are confused... you are saying that
you are Serving IaHUeH.. but you are wrong.. that makes you a
liar.. see how righteous I am... If you are really serious about
learning the Truth you will Listen to me! you will do what I tell
you! and stop talking bad about GODS Special People Who can never
do wrong... Because I am GOD'S servant... you dog!! Lick my boot!
Let me school you.. Do not Trust IaHUeH..forget your Vows... you
do not know what to think.. Don't think above your Calling..
leave it to the Experts! Listen to me! do what I tell you.. it is
the Christian way"
===========================end
Implication==========================
It is not that big a deal I have
gotten much worse... I can't even really blame you for it ...you
probably just do as you are told... Believe without question...
works pretty good till some one asks... "Well what do you
believe? and why?" or says "IaHUeH Revealed His
TRUTH!!"
>
>I may tell you that at first, at one stage, I actually
appraoched The
>Hebron Community (whose articles you also take a free ride
on) in the
>joyful expectation that they may be Messianic!!!!
Woi!! My free ride... because I am trying
to HELP these People?
Getting the News of Hebrons Plight to the World...
When I started the Archive they didn't even have one... Shomron
News Service had one but it stopped working... So I started them
up so people could have Access to this Important News... now they
both have Archives.. but (even though i am behind) I still
maintain ours... just in case...
I did realize after your letter that I had forgotten to put the
disclaimer on the top of the page... it is fixed now... Thankyou!
I think most people who have intelligence and pay a little bit of
attention...
Who look at the details before jumping to conclusions and making
a fool of theirself... would have been able to figure it out...
> (I did it very
>diplomatically though). Only to find out, after much
contemplation
>and rereading yoursite, that it was not their site but
yours!!! This
>I again do not think is something to be proud of.
(Like this message?)
Let's see ... was there Fraud? did I Tamper with the news?
> Imagine if
>Satanists would do that in their Web pages with your
material?!
What... published the TRUTH OF THE GOOD
NEWS OF IaHUeH's SALVATION on their page?? I would be delighted!!
Even if they would provide a Link from their page!!!
That would mean that possibly one more person will have a chance
to read it and learn the truth.
> And
>if you do not think that is possible, please aquaint yourself
with
>how they have invaded the news groups of Christian subjects
with
>their blasphemys.
I will tell you the TRUTH.. you can NOT
invade a Christian with Blasphemy!! They are Steeped in it!
It is Christianity that Created the Atheist and the Satanist!
These people are REACTING in DISGUST!!! and are thereby being
more Honest... at least with their own feelings.
>
>And that my friend, is the same risk which you run with your
latest
>outrage against Israel, qualifying them as "öf their
father the
>devil..."
I was quoting IaHUShUA.. in CONTEXT! As He
was speaking to the Leaders of the People... So was I... If you
will not recieve IaHUShUA's Words... then whose child are you?
and who do you serve?
> Joining the Arabs in your condemnation of Israel's
"killing
>of civilians".
So I should PRAISE THEM???!!? I will not...
There is no way I will Praise EVIL.
No More MURDER!!!!!!!! It is a SIN... WAR IS EVIL!!! LOVE ONE
ANOTHER!!!!
Do not blow up Babies!!! No Slaughtering old people!!! HAVE
RESPECT FOR PREGNANT MOTHERS!!!! And Healthy able bodied men..
for that matter... but have no respect one above another...
Does it make me EVIL TO SAY THIS?????
> The Arab terrorists would certainly beam with joy to
quote
>you, as a "Jewish datI" (which is the only
conclusion they can arrive at,
>judging from your use of the Sacred Names and multiple Hebrew
phrases
>in your articles). I pray that your reaction to this would
not be
>that you side with the Arabs anyway.
We SIDE WITH IaHUeH... you serve who you
Choose.
>These statements of mine do not in the least mean that
I condone the
>Government of Israel for what they are doing to their own
Land,
>nation, Palestinians or Arabs.
Oh... I guess I misunderstood you. Whose
Land? IaHUeH SAID IF!!! More than once.
> The point is that YAHSHUA commanded
>us to not even condemn / judge satan.
Not only do you apparently not know the
difference between Judge, Condemn, and DISCERN...
I would like to see the quote you took out of context to come up
with that one!
Of course I DO PUNISH satan he is the Adversary and the Father of
Lies! I Cannot willnot Destroy him.. But I Punish him Severely
Every day by being Obedient to IaHUeH... Let me tell you... he
HATES that!!!
> He is the Judge - He will do
>the necessary. Your and my task is to bring peace.
We are obviously on different sides
here..."there is no Shalom to the Wicked saith my MIGHTY
ONE!"
We are calling out to be prepared! We Publish Shalom!
Shalom is what happens when you Love IaHUeH and Obey His
Commandments.
> We can never
>bring peace to nations or the world at large - but we can
bring peace
>and forebearance to individuals - especially in the way you
are
>utilising Internet. At the moment, by your own admittance,
you
>succeed mainly in bringing wrath upon yourself - and dont now
try to
>brush away those condemnations as coming from the unrighteous
anyway
>- for that would make you very self-righteous, something
which
>undoubtedly receives the utter condemnation of YAHWEH.
Thankyou... but huh?
>
>Perhaps you want to tell me: since when is the world
concerned about
>the civilians killed in a war? Millions of civilians were
killed in
>the World Wars I & II, Korea, recently in Russian
upheavals etc.. It is
>taken for granted and logical that civilians will die in a
war. That is
>unfortunately what war is about - except if it concerns
Israel.
Yeah that is a problem... The World Loves
War... at least the Feeling of POWER at being able to Control or
Destroy...
> Is anyone concerned that Hisbullah's Kituyshas are
aimlessly directed at
>what ever it may hit? Has the UN had sittings and
investigations to
>condemn Hamas recently for blowing up Israeli buses packed
with civilians?
>
>How come that you take the side of the accusers of Israel?
The
>scriptures tell us to PRAY for the Peace of Jerusalem. I take
it
>that it also means: "Inspire others and promote prayers
for
>Jerusalem" - not "take a judgemental condemning
seat next to the
>Arabs!!!" If perhaps you are of the impression that your
Web site
>promotes prayer and reconciliation, be sure that you are
achieving the direct
>opposite - again, by your own admittance.
We would have the world Reconciled to the
CREATOR... but they won't listen.. too involved in Self
Exaltation and Hating each other! And joining their own
particular Club.. so they can war against other clubs..
But see... we were Called to be Separate.. and there is a
Reason... it serves IaHUeH's Purpose... and He Knows whats Up...
And He Commands us to do this.. to Warn the people.. so we do!
A CLUE: IaHUeH will SAVE His People *FROM* their Sin... not IN
IT!
Whosoever Calls on the Name of IaHUeH Shall be SAVED!
If you are in your Sin and you Hear IaHUeH Coming... You will RUN
and try to HIDE... you will not call out to Who you are Hiding
from!
Just look how much effort people put into Running away from their
Self!!!
No .. you will want to Have KNOWN IaHUShUA Before that Day!
>
>And then, my latest discovery that you actually (seem to?)
side with
>the deniers of the Holocaust
?!?!?!?!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
{Again.. we are on IaHUeH's Side.}
Another unpardonable "blasphemy".. to question
Historical Accuracy...
and to Wonder why people are so quickly Persecuted for bringing
up discrepancies... and then to read "Jewish"
Historians and Press say that Six Million is a Highly Exagerrated
number... and then to hear all the publicity last month about the
memorial for the SIX MILLION!!! And realizing how many millions
of Dollars a Year go into making sure noone will ever forget
about the Six Million.. and then thinking about starving living
children who could use some of that attention!
And still I am asking Questions.. because we need to know the
Truth...
One way or the other..
>If this be so, I think it is a pity, a shame, a
disgrace, horryfying
>that on ONE WEB PAGE you can mix the wonderful Truth that you
have
>with such satanic accusation against the nation and Land, not
of the
>Jews, or Israelites or Palestinians - but *<OF
YAHWEH!!!!>*
The earth is IaHUeH's and the Fullness
thereof....
>
>Please get that straight. It is YAHWEH Who is bringing back
this
>nation from across the earth as He has promised.
You may do well to look up Blasphemy!
Which Worldly Power are you trying to Pass off as the Creator of
all? One of the League of Nations/UN/NWO? or the POWER behind
it...
I seem to remember IaHUShUA Saying
"John" 14:30
"Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of
this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."
> His purpose: to set
>up His Kingdom and rule from Jerusalem - and "Judah
SHALL be saved"!!
>HE promised to use Israel, the Jews, all 12 tribes. The
current push
>for ownership of Jerusalem is right on target with the
Prophecies!
>This push will develop ultimately in Armageddon, as
prophesied. The
>very current "occupying" nation of Israel will be
in danger of
>extinction by its accusers (with whom you side!) and for THIS
reason
>YAHSHUA/YAHWEH will personally intervene to save Israel and
to fulfil
>His eternal promise that "Israel will eventually bend
the knee before
>Him." How dare you condemn them (and you are not allowed
even to
>condemn Satan!!!!!!)?
>
>I have seen the cycle of religious suicide that you are
>(probably unwittingly) finding yourself on, before in my
life. It
>starts when you start siding against the nation of God (the
Jews and
>Jerusalem for "it is the apple of YHVH's eye"). It
is satan's
>easiest tool to divert those who approach eternal Truth, like
you
>have been doing - and I hope that you are not so
self-righteouss to
>claim that you already have ALL the Truth - that is a
guarantee of
>self-destruction.
IaHUeH Knows!!!!! and IaHUeH reveals.. to
those that seek.. and ask.
>
>So let me help you on your FINAL LAP to either religious
self-
>destruction or coming to your senses. Absorb and decide on
this one:
>If YHVH has not brought Israel to this current stage in
Israel in
>line for setting up His Kingdom, who did?
I already told you... The GOD of this
world!
> Will you also side with
>the Accusers who claim that He brought them there so that He
could
>easier wipe them out with one blow?
>
>You are already (seemingly?) denying the holocaust terror on
Israel
>(perhaps you should rather account that to YHVH's Wrath on
Jews???
>-strange, I have never come accross such a reasoning by the
>Accusers).
Actually I have encountered that theory..
from Christians all over. I do not Buy it! not for a Minute!
While Transgression does have its Consequences... and IaHUeH
allows it IaHUeH does not do EVIL!
> So you are now one step away from total condemnation
of
>YHVH's people.
I am not passing Sentence or Executing
Punishment.. Neither Murdered or Hated anyone... it is not the
Sinner we Hate... but the SIN!!!
>
>On the other hand, you may want to come to your senses and
start
>finding the real Truth behind the matter. I believe that I
can
>assist you with that.
No thankyou please!
Why would I want a Blindfold? I like being able to see...
I have had enough of a sample in this letter.
> I have a book in publication which explains
>scripturally, the very Purpose of YHVH in His nation and the
soon
>coming GLORIUS EXALTATION which He will enjoy in the eyes of
all
>nations when HE OPENLY SIDES WITH THIS NATION which HE has
>decided to select as example - perhaps they need to be pitied
for that?
>May it never happen to you or me - perhaps we are under the
same
>process???
>
>Israel has enough opposition and condemnation. Let us not
condone
>but, God forbid, also not side with the Accusers. Let us
stick to
>proclaiming YHVH's Plan and ultimate Purpose ("the
Gospel") and leave
>the condemnation to Him. Let us PRAY EARNESTLY WITH A
>SHATTERED HEART FOR THE JEWS, FOR ISRAEL AND FOR
JERUSALEM....
> "Thy Will be done ... Thy Kingdom come..."
We pray For the People that they will turn
to IaHUeH for SALVATION.. and Follow IaHUShUA in Obedience!!!We
will not stop until IaHUeH's Kingdom is Fully Established and
Fulfilled.
We do not pray for Other Kingdoms... not even the still
backsliding "Israel".
>
>I am as rightist as you on what is happening in Israel today
- on
>both sides, Israel and Palestinian. But it does not allow me
to
>"shoot Arabs" like the rightists did; or to promote
giving away the
>Land, as Peres is doing. I do not have the answer. In fact,
the
>HORRIFYING TRUTH is that there is NO answer.
Love is Still the Answer!!!
It is already past time!
That is what we are trying to tell you!
And how do you know that you Love the Children of IaHUeH?
Is when you Love IaHUeH! How to know IF you love IaHUeH... is
because you Keep His Commandments.. Which are not grievious!
> Armageddon MUST come
>out of all this consternation. Perhaps we should start
praying for
>those who have the grotesque task of trying to find an
answer!!!!!
We all need answers.. not an elite few!
>It is easy to condemn.
seems to come naturally...
>You personally have wonderful means on your
>Web - be warned though, that it places a grotesque divine
<I give thanks that this
"divine" word has *NOTHING* to do with IaHUeH>
But I agree... Gawd is grotesque!
>responsibility on you to ensure that you are on the
right side, on
>the right track, with the true TRUTH!
Like I would have come this far with it and
only been guessing?
I realize that you do not Know me.... but.. Give me a break!
Thankyou for your concern! I apologize for being blunt... I
started this response hoping that I could help you understand...
but got quickly frustrated... when I realised that if you really
had wanted to understand.. you would have checked the Information
out more thoroughly in the First place and at least 75% of your
False Accusations would have been averted...
Its alright I do not Hate you for disagreeing... you obviously
didn't read close enough to determine... I endeavor to be as
clear as I can... but Know that I am inadequate when it comes to
putting into words the Unspeakable EXCELLENCE of IaHUeH. So I
pray for help alot... and it Works... Perhaps if you would pray
IaHUeH to help you understand... Then if you ask in IaHUShUA's
Name (as IaHUShUA... not in your Sins) then the Spirit of Truth
is Able to come to you and Show you the Understanding of these
things...
It is your Choice to disagree... but if you want to be Real then
you will at least Try to Scripturally Prove me wrong... Emotional
Sentiment is =NOT= Proof!
>
>What I have, I am eager to share with you - if you are
teachable.
>
>YOU HAVE THE CHOICE. YOU DO THE CHOOSING.
>FOR YOUR SOUL'S SAKE, MAY YOU CHOOSE CORRECTLY!!
Thanks again!!!
May IaHUeH Bless you with His Understanding..
and Guide you in His TRUTH!!
Best Regards! IaHU-NaTaN (III)
>
>SHALOM
Lets Talk it Over!
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